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Post by moyke on Aug 28, 2006 10:47:42 GMT
hey i know if you want a little more power from your car, you can get additives which you put in with the fuel, and they oxidise and have a simular effect as a nitros induction kit, only nowhere near as powerful, but anyway, i was wondering, seems they woork in cars (4stroke engines) would they be any good in my scooter (also a 4 stroke)?
has anyone actually used them before?
thanks for your help
Mike!!!
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Post by cb50j on Aug 28, 2006 12:05:57 GMT
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Post by Scootin on Aug 28, 2006 12:51:16 GMT
Fuel Additives! A thread from the dead!
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Post by mii on Aug 28, 2006 13:26:49 GMT
Since the old topic is few months old and ended up to someone pumping his..hmm. Well, anyway: There are NOS systems for scooters and the oldest method in the book to raise performance must be blending nitromethanol into the fuel, it costs about 20e/l. Of course, compression ratio will rise when using nitro and you will end up needing higher octane fuel in the long run, unless you like to burn out piston rings instead of back tire. I really don't know if nitro will work that well with 4 strokes, but at least 2 strokers seem to love it: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8434189229178154915Of course, anything that can be a lot of fun, can't be safe: youtube.com/watch?v=J9LqoxoKUnE&mode=related&search=Nitromethanol does not explode (but does burn) like that, if treated right. It can transform into nitroglyserine, but only in small quantities, yet it does not take much glyserine to cause an explosion. Best bet is to buy nitro from r/c stores, their nitro has chemical that will signal if the nitro has gone bad. (well, at least my nitroed methanol does)
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Post by Scootin on Aug 29, 2006 12:50:57 GMT
Nitro methanol??? On a scooter that sounds like a recipe for an accident to me. Some people I knew used to put that stuff into Pontiac Trans Am's (451 V8),Chevy Camaro's & the like back in the 80's.
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Post by mii on Aug 31, 2006 10:07:28 GMT
Heeh. I'm not sure if it's even streetlegal, after all, nitro is quite toxic. Still, I don't think nitro is that bad compared to NOS systems on scooters. Those things really pump up the performance and I see no reason to believe people using NOS on their bikes are asking anything but trouble. It's stupid too, NOS system will usually end up costing them as much as the bike itself did and the worst thing about NOS is, you can overuse it to the point you end up melting cylinder, piston and crank into a one big piece of modern art..
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Post by Mark... on Aug 31, 2006 10:57:08 GMT
oh, your killing me. Im not going to argue any more.
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Post by mii on Aug 31, 2006 11:07:03 GMT
oh, your killing me. Im not going to argue any more. Interesting take on the subject, psycho boy. Next you are going to ram into my livingroom with shotgun telling me not to f**k your mom?
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Post by Scootin on Aug 31, 2006 17:25:31 GMT
Do I need to warn you children on this thread too?
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Post by Scootin on Aug 31, 2006 17:34:01 GMT
Heeh. I'm not sure if it's even streetlegal, after all, nitro is quite toxic. Still, I don't think nitro is that bad compared to NOS systems on scooters. Those things really pump up the performance and I see no reason to believe people using NOS on their bikes are asking anything but trouble. It's stupid too, NOS system will usually end up costing them as much as the bike itself did and the worst thing about NOS is, you can overuse it to the point you end up melting cylinder, piston and crank into a one big piece of modern art.. Ya know I was thinking of NOS not nitromethane. Nitro methane is not as extreme as NOS but still pretty volitile. Still seems like a accident waiting to happen. I would not want to go much faster than 45mph on 10" wheels.
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Post by Ginger Phil on Aug 31, 2006 17:48:04 GMT
Will you two sort it out or find another forum to argue on before you don't have a choice!
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Post by mii on Aug 31, 2006 22:06:15 GMT
Heeh. I'm not sure if it's even streetlegal, after all, nitro is quite toxic. Still, I don't think nitro is that bad compared to NOS systems on scooters. Those things really pump up the performance and I see no reason to believe people using NOS on their bikes are asking anything but trouble. It's stupid too, NOS system will usually end up costing them as much as the bike itself did and the worst thing about NOS is, you can overuse it to the point you end up melting cylinder, piston and crank into a one big piece of modern art.. Ya know I was thinking of NOS not nitromethane. Nitro methane is not as extreme as NOS but still pretty volitile. Still seems like a accident waiting to happen. I would not want to go much faster than 45mph on 10" wheels. Adding conservative amounts of nitro to the fuel is not going to raise the rpm much, 300-500rpm max. That won't do much in terms of speed (tops to 80km/h?), but still provides quite significant performance boost through whole usable rpm range, after all, engine gets way more oxygen every workcycle. I think the speedlimits for mopeds should be 60km/h or about 37mph, over that is just too dangerous for the driver without proper safetygear, which most of the scooter and moped drivers lack. I'd propably pee my pants driving chinese scooter, say 50mph only wearing helmet. Fall down at 50mph..? Gets pretty graphic, pretty fast #icon_violin#
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Post by Scootin on Sept 1, 2006 12:08:19 GMT
You are absolutely correct about speed & protective gear. I see so many scooter & motorcycle riders who do not wear proper protective gear. I saw 2 scooter riders yesterday who were both travelling at 45mph, & had no protective gear other than a helmet. I started out riding that way....but after talking to some folks here on the forum I decided to purchase an armored jacket & some heavy nylon abrasion-resistant overpants. I dont mind riding at 45mph on my scooter (I do it every day) But I prefer to have proper gear in case of a spill.
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